Monday, October 06, 2008

Do Facts Matter When It Comes to Obama?

News Flash: Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama!

Am I surprised? Yes I am, yet at the same time it doesn't surprise me. What makes Mr. Powell any different from other Blacks who are voting for Obama just because he is black? This endorsement demonstrates that he is as flawed in character as most black people. It saddens me in that I had great respect for Colin Powell, I always considered him as someone of great moral character.
Yet, when I read his reasons for endorsing Obama because he is "a transformational figure", the only conclusion I can draw is that Mr. Powell lacks common sense and character. He can offer nothing of real substance or fact that would support why he thinks Barack Obama is qualified to be president. Nothing tangible, nothing soluble, nada. Just ambiguous terminology about change and "electrifying the world", the same language that Barack himself uses on the campaign trail. If any of you out there didn't believe that there is favoritism towards liberal blacks before, this should be screaming proof that there is. Barack Obama has offered zero towards real, tangible, viable solutions to government corruption, the economy, or foreign policy, yet people love him because he is a well spoken, liberal, black man who panders to the masses what they want to hear rather than what needs to be said, the truth.

Are we as a nation so desperate for a messiah that we will put anyone there regardless of whether they are right or wrong? I've heard many blacks refer to Obama as "the one" or the "chosen one of God". Not only strange but down right scary stuff.

Sad.
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12:27am PST; Even more correspondence further down...
3:05pm PST; more responses...it gets interesting.

Below is a correspondence between me and a friend of mine, a pastor actually, who seems to disagree with my politics. I forwarded a recent article by Tomas Sowell regarding the coming election and getting your facts straight about Obama and McCain. As you will read below, my pastor friend did not care for this article very much. Keep in mind that he is about 20 years my senior and is a pastor of a local church in L.A.

My response is in bold.

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-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Oct 6, 2008 9:06 AM
To: jmcclellan@peoplepc.com
Subject: Re: Do Facts Matter? / by Thomas Sowell

You know what, this traitor can say whatever he wishes. All of us can choose a side to stand and look across the street and find imperfections on anyone. Both parties, both men have faults just like Sowell and all the rest of us.
When I look at the platform (not the individual) of both parties and the historicity thereof, I choose a primary pattern and that is:
1. The Republican party has always used fear tactics and wars to manipulate people of America while they are able to fatten their own pockets as well as their friends who can benefit from foreign interests. They care less about the American people regardless of color, creed or religion.
2. The Democratic party always invest in America first and foreign interest second and that in itself is enough for me.
3. When someone says Democrat the first subjects to come up are "Abortion & Same Sex". People we electing a President not a Pastor for the church.
No where in the bible do it say that the President is responsible for the personal sins of anyone.
Please people get real.

Name withheld
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Why is Mr. Sowell a traitor? He is one of the foremost experts in economics, teaches at Stanford, and is a senior fellow with the Hoover Institution. Who is he a traitor to? He served in the armed forces for our country as a young man and gives back by teaching our youth at Stanford and is the author of numerous books, many of which have been best sellers. Or is he a traitor to just black folks? That must be it right? This man has done more for blacks and society at large than Jesse Jackson and Al "the riot king" Sharpton combined.

I disagree that the President is not responsible for personal sins, it says in Romans that God appoints leaders and governments to carry out and enforce the law, that makes them responsible for personal sins doesn't it? That is why we have laws, to govern and stave off personal sins, i.e. murder is illegal. Ever heard of the ten commandments? Well our laws are based on those ten little rules handed down to us from on high. Speaking of personal sins, Obama not only publicly supports abortion but has voted to implement laws that allow for Partial Birth Abortion, allowing babies to be born and then killed outside of the womb. He associates with known criminals, and has worked extensively with corrupt organizations such as ACORN, which has been under investigation and indicted several times in the past for voter fraud in voter registration drives across the country.

No one is saying that either candidate is perfect, yet, as men and women of God, our vote should be an extension of our core convictions. Supporting homosexuality, abortion on demand, high taxation, forced redistribution of wealth and a basic resentment of our country are not Christian convictions. There is no way around that, so how do you justify voting for someone whose convictions contradict your own? Or do they? Not only that, but the word states that "my people perish for lack of knowledge", that is what this article is about, get the REAL facts about each candidate and make a wise choice.

BTW, If you want to know which party platform best represents what is right, look at the real history of each party. It was always and consistently republicans that fought for civil rights for blacks all the way through to the civil rights movement of the 60's. The republican party was partly founded by blacks from several states including Texas. There were hundreds of blacks who owned slaves before the civil war, and many advocated for slavery. The ku klux klan, and subsequent lynchings was started by democrats to dissuade blacks from joining the republican party and voting. Oh, and just in case you didn't realize this, as some of your fellow brothers don't know, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, you know him, the guy that signed the emancipation proclamation and freed the slaves?

Democrats have historically patronized blacks as victims of white racism just to get our vote yet have done nothing for the black community. They only promise more free handouts, which is part of why we are in this economic crisis to begin with, Freddie and Fannie, hello? Both started under the Clinton administration, Franklin Raines (black dude) was appointed by Clinton, ran Freddie and Fannie into the ground through mismanagement, yet was defended by none other than screwed up black folks on the Black Democratic Caucus. It was Republicans that called for reform of Fannie and Freddie as recent as just a couple of years ago, yet Dems opposed any regulation or reform. The Bush administration has nothing to do with the current economic crisis, nor is the crisis related to tax cuts or war time spending at all, which makes no sense anyway, they are completely unrelated.

I recommend you get your facts straight before you vote next month. Neither candidate is ideal, yet it is the party represented I vote for and the core beliefs behind it, not the man alone. I want a black man to be president just as bad as the next guy, yet, I want him to represent what is right as well. Don't vote for someone just because they are the same color as you, even Satan can appear as an angel of light.

Jerry M.

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UPDATE, I GOT ANOTHER RESPONSE TO MY RESPONSE. SAME PASTOR. MY RESPONSES ARE IN BOLD RED LETTERING BELOW.
-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Oct 6, 2008 11:28 AM
To: jmcclellan@peoplepc.com
Subject: Re: Do Facts Matter? / by Thomas Sowell

In a message dated 10/6/2008 10:15:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jmcclellan@peoplepc.com writes:
Why is Mr. Sowell a traitor? He is one of the foremost experts in economics, teaches at Stanford, and is a senior fellow with the Hoover Institution. Who is he a traitor to? He served in the armed forces for our country as a young man and gives back by teaching our youth at Stanford and is the author of numerous books, many of which have been best sellers. Or is he a traitor to just black folks? That must be it right? This man has done more for blacks and society at large than Jesse Jackson and Al "the riot king" Sharpton combined. I didn't just hear about Sowell, I have of him and his accomplishments for some time. A lot of times we can glory over our own accomplishments as a race, but it is so easy for us to find all the faults of our own sisters and brothers. There comes a time in life when there are some issues that we as a race need to pull together on. We rate in the top three of races who cannot find unity at any level or aspect of life. And as far as Al and Jesse, not even on my list.
Then why do you call him a "traitor"? Well, to clarify for myself, my sisters and brothers are those who believe in Christ as I do. Remember, there is no rich or poor, bond or free, male or female in christ, all are one. What issue exactly are you suggesting we pull together on in voting for Obama? There is only one race, human. Everything else within that are ethnicities, cultures, etc. Its comforting to know that you come to your senses on Al and Jesse though.


I disagree that the President is not responsible for personal sins, it says in Romans that God appoints leaders and governments to carry out and enforce the law, that makes them responsible for personal sins doesn't it? That is why we have laws, to govern and stave off personal sins, i.e. murder is illegal. Ever heard of the ten commandments? Well our laws are based on those ten little rules handed down to us from on high. Speaking of personal sins, Obama not only publicly supports abortion but has voted to implement laws that allow for Partial Birth Abortion, allowing babies to be born and then killed outside of the womb. He associates with known criminals, and has worked extensively with corrupt organizations such as ACORN, which has been under investigation and indicted several times in the past for voter fraud in voter registration drives across the country. My friend, each person will stand before either the "Great White Throne or The Bema Seat of Christ" Sin is not a lawful issue, Sin is a Moral issue. And as for association, we all have some guilt there regardless of who we are, the word is complicity. Sometimes we associate ourselves with people before we even are aware of their character, integrity or lack thereof.
Guess what, the law IS a moral issue. Our laws are based on moral precepts rooted in the ten commandments. Therefore obeying the law or breaking the law is a sin and a moral issue. Scripture states to obey those who have rule over you. Disobedience is a sin associated with witchcraft remember? It is ironic for you to state
"Sometimes we associate ourselves with people before we even are aware of their character, integrity or lack thereof." Given your affinity for Obama and his ambiguous past associations and obvious lack of moral integrity in relation to his beliefs about abortion. I recommend you heed your own words here.
No one is saying that either candidate is perfect, yet, as men and women of God, our vote should be an extension of our core convictions. Supporting homosexuality, abortion on demand, high taxation, forced redistribution of wealth and a basic resentment of our country are not Christian convictions. There is no way around that, so how do you justify voting for someone whose convictions contradict your own? Or do they? Not only that, but the word states that "my people perish for lack of knowledge", that is what this article is about, get the REAL facts about each candidate and make a wise choice. You sound like the voice of Frank Pastorie. I am sure you remember Sodom and Gomorah, who judged them? God or man. I am sure you remember Manasseh? Manasseh repented, the nation did not, Who judged the nation of Israel and sent them into Babylon because the continued in the sins of Manasseh of sacrificing children (abortion) and neglecting the Sabbaths? God judged them on a Moral sin not a law. I sure you remember Romans 1, Who gave them over to the desires of their flesh? It was God not man. It is really funny how everybody want to hollow "oh we have to keep the separation of Church and State" but now all of a sudden Church is suppose to guide the state. Its always wise to have a system of hermeneutics that way if you start out right you will end right, but when you start out wrong you will also end up strong. So if you are going to insert church and state on one matter, insert it all the way. Don't be half stepping to make it accommodate just the part one likes and then throw the baby out with the bathe water.
I can only speak for myself in saying I've never been a proponent of separation of church and state, it is actually disingenuous and is not supported by our constitution. This is probably one of the greatest travesties of the 20th century, the misrepresentation of a single letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Baptist Convention assuring them that the Government, not private institutions, would not enforce or promote one single Christian religious sect. Had nothing to do with any other religious practice. As men of God we do not insert God in one part of life and not in another, we are His all in all. That is the point I am making about voting based on color rather than what is truthful and right. Voting for Obama just because he is black is just as immoral as voting against him for the same reason.

BTW, If you want to know which party platform best represents what is right, look at the real history of each party. It was always and consistently republicans that fought for civil rights for blacks all the way through to the civil rights movement of the 60's. The republican party was partly founded by blacks from several states including Texas. There were hundreds of blacks who owned slaves before the civil war, and many advocated for slavery. The ku klux klan, and subsequent lynchings was started by democrats to dissuade blacks from joining the republican party and voting. Oh, and just in case you didn't realize this, as some of your fellow brothers don't know, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, you know him, the guy that signed the emancipation proclamation and freed the slaves? My brother, I was born and reared in the deep south, I personally experienced or received eye witness accounts of what you have only read about, from my Grandfather and mother and brothers and sisters, my oldest brother is 84 years old. Once again, all that you have written about will be judged by God because of the conditions of the hearts of the people. It will not have a thing to do with which party the claimed. There will be both Democrats and Republicans in Heaven and Hell.
My brother, you may have been reared in the south, yet that doesn't make you an expert on its history. I recommend to check your sources thoroughly and not rely on handed down black anger and resentment towards "whitey" as your guide to American history. Look at reality with open mind and earnest heart. Right now, we are not talking about who is going to heaven or hell, we are talking about voting for what best represents truth. Obama and the Democratic party doesn't.

Democrats have historically patronized blacks as victims of white racism just to get our vote yet have done nothing for the black community. They only promise more free handouts, which is part of why we are in this economic crisis to begin with, Freddie and Fannie, hello? Both started under the Clinton administration, Franklin Raines (black dude) was appointed by Clinton, ran Freddie and Fannie into the ground through mismanagement, yet was defended by none other than screwed up black folks on the Black Democratic Caucus. It was Republicans that called for reform of Fannie and Freddie as recent as just a couple of years ago, yet Dems opposed any regulation or reform. The Bush administration has nothing to do with the current economic crisis, nor is the crisis related to tax cuts or war time spending at all, which makes no sense anyway, they are completely unrelated. Man, they have really painted a distorted picture for you.
Who is they? All you have to do is read and do a little research and you will see it for yourself. There were Republicans as well as Democrats who were in the wrong, yet, the majority were Dems and they were at the forefront.

I recommend you get your facts straight before you vote next month. Neither candidate is ideal, yet it is the party represented I vote for and the core beliefs behind it, not the man alone. I want a black man to be president just as bad as the next guy, yet, I want him to represent what is right as well. Don't vote for someone just because they are the same color as you, even Satan can appear as an angel of light.
When you find a perfect human being that represent what you perceive is right on everything, let me know and I too will vote for him, but we know that does not exist, not in the world I live in anyway. And neither am I saying that I agree with everything that Obama says; however, come the first of 2009, I will be a proud black American man to stand and say thank you God that Obama is your choice.
P.S After all did I read somewhere in the Word of God that it is He who choose Leaders and Authorities to rule. And it I remember correctly it is only His Word that is Truth and Facts, the rest is just opinionated and temporal.
Once again, no one is saying McCain or Obama is perfect, its not about who is perfect, it is about what best represents what is right. Wouldn't you agree that there is a such thing as right and wrong? Well, come the first of 2009, I will be a proud American man who happens to be black, who voted for what was right and for what best represented my convictions on such. You are correct, God does choose leaders and authorities, in such a system as ours, how do you suppose He would do this? Could it be through the vote of the people who are supposed to stand for Him?

Based on your logic, 1+1=2 is not a fact but just an opinion right? It is this type of thinking that gives the church and Christianity in general a bad wrap. God is not the author of confusion, He has established all things from the beginning, therefore as in Romans 1, all things are revealed to us and are in plain site through His creation so that we are without excuse. By your thinking, then even the notion of God Himself is merely an opinion. Very dangerous indeed.

Let me ask you this, and please take no offense I am sincere in asking this. Are you a black man first and a Christian second, or a Christian first and a black man second, or are you a Black Christian, or a Christian who happens to be black? Where does your allegiance lay, with God or man? Are you loyal to your "race" first and then to God second? Is the color of your skin more important than the content of your character?

I will tell you my answer after you reply.

Jerry M.
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-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Oct 6, 2008 1:18 PM
To: jmcclellan@peoplepc.com
Subject: Re: Do Facts Matter? / by Thomas Sowell

Wrong again!!!!!!!!
FYI, not that it would matter to you.
I was having reservations in my spirit as to which person I would be in favor of enough to cast a vote for; even before Obama was the Democratic Nominee. Twelve months ago I was not willing to vote for anyone that was on either ticket. Therefore, skin color has absolutely nothing to do with this, I have a higher IQ than such.
I ask God for directions that I may have a clear conscience in casting my vote the next President of America.
Sometimes after I had petition God for guidance this is when He spoke to my heart through His Holy Spirit.
All the so call facts and statistics known to the finite knowledge of man, will not, and can not change what has been placed in my heart to do.
Peace,


OK, you said...

"You know what, this traitor can say whatever he wishes. All of us can choose a side to stand and look across the street and find imperfections on anyone. Both parties, both men have faults just like Sowell and all the rest of us.
When I look at the platform (not the individual) of both parties and the historicity thereof, I choose a primary pattern and that is:
1. The Republican party has always used fear tactics and wars to manipulate people of America while they are able to fatten their own pockets as well as their friends who can benefit from foreign interests. They care less about the American people regardless of color, creed or religion.
2. The Democratic party always invest in America first and foreign interest second and that in itself is enough for me.
3. When someone says Democrat the first subjects to come up are "Abortion & Same Sex". People we electing a President not a Pastor for the church.
No where in the bible do it say that the President is responsible for the personal sins of anyone.
Please people get real. "

I am not questioning your IQ, only your convictions. Personally I believe you to be incredibly intelligent and scholarly. As seen above, initially you stated that it was based on the history of either party that you make your decision for Obama and did not mention at all that somehow God was leading you to vote for Obama, so now God through the Holy Spirit is leading you?

You still didn't asnwer my questions about what you are first. I will give you my answer anyway, I am a man of God who happens to be black, who happens to live in America.

Therefore I am a Christian American male who is black in that order.